Please help me identify my Kreidler Florett with pictures !

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Please help me identify my Kreidler Florett with pictures !

#1 Bericht door jwakeford » 24 apr 2016, 15:28

Hello, I am a french guy who is trying to find out more about the motorcycle he just bought.

I tried doing some research but I did not find the answer to my questions.

- I do not know what model I have, is it RS or RM ?
- I do not know the year of the motorcycle.

But, I have pictures!
And, I can tell you that it rides pretty fast, up to 80Km/H

Thank you for any information you can give me
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Re: Please help me identify my Kreidler Florett with picture

#2 Bericht door jwakeford » 24 apr 2016, 15:40

Here are a couple more photos
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#3 Bericht door jwakeford » 24 apr 2016, 15:44

a pic of the carburetor with reference
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#4 Bericht door Ed.P » 24 apr 2016, 16:10

RM 74/76
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#5 Bericht door Caspar » 24 apr 2016, 20:20

Defnitly not an RS.
Dutch engine , German frame. Moped / mockick.
About 1974

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#6 Bericht door Enzo-tvdzijden » 24 apr 2016, 20:31

Een Kreidler Florett RM cyclomoteur uit Frankrijk 1977
http://www.kreidler-museum.de/75rm-f.htm

Of de standard
http://www.kreidler-museum.de/77rm-f.htm

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#7 Bericht door Caspar » 24 apr 2016, 20:36

De Franse 1977 had het type plaatje achter de schokbrekers , toch ?

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#8 Bericht door Enzo-tvdzijden » 24 apr 2016, 20:46

Caspar schreef:De Franse 1977 had het type plaatje achter de schokbrekers , toch ?
maar de K53/403 liegt niet. En in de database komt het framenummer er mee.

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#9 Bericht door Caspar » 24 apr 2016, 21:02

Toch ben ik nog niet overtuigd.
-koplamp en oortjes
-indirect 4v trapperblok
-kleine breitwand .
-Typeplaatje voor de schokbrekers.
Of betreft het hier weer een overjarig actiemodel ?

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#10 Bericht door Ed.P » 24 apr 2016, 21:34

Het is een originele Franse RM

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#11 Bericht door Enzo-tvdzijden » 24 apr 2016, 21:35

Ed.P schreef:Het is een originele Franse RM
Het plaatje heb je al neer gezet :thumbleft

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Re: Please help me identify my Kreidler Florett with picture

#12 Bericht door jwakeford » 24 apr 2016, 21:50

Thank you all for helping out !
I will use google translate to understand what you have written in dutch.
I think Caspar is right, the frame must be different from the engine !
I bought the Kreidler with 2 motors, I suspect that the spare one is the original RM french motor ( 40 KM/h ) , and that the installed one comes from another model because it is faster ( 80 KM/h )

Do you know what model does this motor come from ? It can fit a K53/403 frame but has higher performance than original !
Again, thank you for helping me !

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#13 Bericht door Enzo-tvdzijden » 24 apr 2016, 21:53

What is the number on the motor?
All Kreidler Florett frame's are build for 85 km/h

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#14 Bericht door jwakeford » 24 apr 2016, 22:05

Enzo-tvdzijden schreef:What is the number on the motor?
All Kreidler Florett frame's are build for 85 km/h

Enzo
Unfortunately I do not have it with me, I am in the south of France for 1 month and the kreidler is in the north.
I will check and tell you as soon as I have the opportunity !

In the end it looks like I have a french RM frame from 1974 mounted with a german RM motor ( 85Km/h ) ?

We will know for sure when i get that motor number.

Is it possible to see the motor number without pulling it out of the frame ?

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#15 Bericht door jwakeford » 24 apr 2016, 22:07

Also, what online shop do you recommend to buy parts for restoring my Kreidler ?
Not too expensive is what I am thinking ^^

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#16 Bericht door Enzo-tvdzijden » 24 apr 2016, 22:08

jwakeford schreef:
Enzo-tvdzijden schreef:What is the number on the motor?
All Kreidler Florett frame's are build for 85 km/h

Enzo
Unfortunately I do not have it with me, I am in the south of France for 1 month and the kreidler is in the north.
I will check and tell you as soon as I have the opportunity !

In the end it looks like I have a french RM frame from 1974 mounted with a german RM motor ( 85Km/h ) ?

We will know for sure when i get that motor number.

Is it possible to see the motor number without pulling it out of the frame ?
A German RM motor is 40 km/h with the mounted Bing 14 mm :!:
And German mokicks has not Pedals
A 85 km/h motor has 5 gears and a kickstarter

yes the number is on the right side
only the black engine cover away
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#17 Bericht door jwakeford » 24 apr 2016, 22:29

Hmm ok well mine has a kick starter also, and on the gear selector I have :
below is gear 1
then gear 0
then gear 2
then gear 3
then gear 4
That qualifies as a 4 gear right ?

Do all 85Km/h motors have 5 gears ? Or is it only german ones ?
Maybe my motor comes from another country than germany !

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#18 Bericht door Enzo-tvdzijden » 24 apr 2016, 22:32

jwakeford schreef:Hmm ok well mine has a kick starter also, and on the gear selector I have :
below is gear 1
then gear 0
then gear 2
then gear 3
then gear 4
That qualifies as a 4 gear right ?

Do all 85Km/h motors have 5 gears ? Or is it only german ones ?
Maybe my motor comes from another country than germany !
With pedals is 3 or 4 gears. You have the 4 gear engine. Also in other country's a 85 km/h RS or TM has 5-gears

your engine fit is typical Dutch but 14 mm Bing Carburator is French you has learn on the given links and picture from Ed.p
you have a French Kreidler !

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#19 Bericht door jwakeford » 24 apr 2016, 22:47

Thank you Enzo !

Ok I will check this when I come back. But maybe I am mistaken and I have 5 gears then ! The speedometer goes up to 120 km/h on the dash,
and I have definitely been well over 50 km/h when test riding it.

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#20 Bericht door Enzo-tvdzijden » 24 apr 2016, 22:49

jwakeford schreef:Thank you Enzo !

Ok I will check this when I come back. But maybe I am mistaken and I have 5 gears then ! The speedometer goes up to 120 km/h on the dash,
and I have definitely been well over 50 km/h when test riding it.
Al the dutch speedometers are 120 for 40-50 km/h engine setup

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#21 Bericht door jwakeford » 24 apr 2016, 23:00

Ok maybe i was hallucinating, or the speedometer is not accurate at all !
I will run a test with a friend riding a car behind me to be sure ;)
Have a good evening and thank you !

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#22 Bericht door Flocke » 24 apr 2016, 23:41

Hi,

I am from Germany.

The motor of your Kreidler is not a RS-motor, so no 85km/h setup.

The RS has minimum 18er carburetor, since 1973 it has a 20er carburetor, and the intake air duct is different from your cylinder, so you could see that you have the small 40km/h setup-cylinder, the 14er carburetor is the right part for the cylinder, the exhaust-pipe is smaller as well (28mm instead of 32mm).

Look at the pic, this is the motor from a 1973er RS with the 20er carburetor, with the right cylinder and intake. The exhaust is not original, it is a VanVeen.

Your motor is for 40km/h, I don't believe that the Kreidler runs real 80km/h (sorry!), perhaps your motor is tuned and it runs real 60km/h ...

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#23 Bericht door Helmantel » 25 apr 2016, 07:53

The engine is probably original. 75 French RM at kreidler-museum

In the Netherlands, you sometimes come across "French" moped cylinders that have a little more power than the standard 2,0 HP Dutch versions. With the typical restrictions to make it run 40 km/h removed or exchanged (chain gears/sprockets, exhaust header pipe, carburetor jets, air filter), they should run around 65 km/h. Add 5 km/h for going slightly downhill, 5 km/h from an optimistic speedometer and another 5 km/h from an optimistic driver, you end up with 65+5+5+5=80 km/h 

If the cylinder is tuned a bit by somebody who knew what he was doing (enlarged ports), it may even run a real 80 km/h

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Re: Please help me identify my Kreidler Florett with picture

#24 Bericht door kreidler844 » 25 apr 2016, 10:47

Bouwjaar is 1975 voor zover ik na kan gaan.

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Re: Please help me identify my Kreidler Florett with picture

#25 Bericht door kuuk » 25 apr 2016, 17:47

Kijk nou, hij kan er nog eentje kopen.
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